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Dave:Welcome everybody to another year end livestream. This is something I've done, I think, every year for, like, the past four years. It's pretty wild to think about. And it's funny. I like to do these for myself because it's funny to go back and watch the previous years and see how the old mug has changed, how how technology has changed, what what's going on in the world, because these are typically like a year end wrap up on all the things that happened, throughout the year, in 2025 this year.
Dave:So there's no script here. This is just really a way to interact with you guys. I can see the chat on the screen down here. So if you're watching, you're listening, make sure to drop into the live chat. Let me know where you're watching from.
Dave:Let me know if you have any questions you want me to answer, if you have any non, you know, GPS watch related questions because I like to talk about other stuff too. And happy holidays. Busy time of year, as we all know. Right now, sorry for the the mix up with the timing. I had this scheduled for, like, 02:00 eastern time.
Dave:Unfortunately, I couldn't really make that happen. I thought I gonna was have my kids early on in the day, then my wife was gonna take over. But she ended up taking them in the morning, so I'm doing this now instead. Because the kids are on Christmas vacation, and it's really difficult to create content and have kids in the house. So it's been a it's been a fun fun time.
Dave:Alright. So we've got some people in the chat already. Good times. Let's see. Remember how to use this thing.
Dave:We got c Chad run. He's got a great YouTube channel as well, all about ultra running. Go check out his channel if you haven't yet. We've got Saad Rafa 40 Saad Rafa 43. Yes.
Dave:Everything is fine. Good. Glad to hear it. I'm actually using like a new camera setup too. I'm a huge nerd when it comes to like gear, and I don't even have like a camera channel, but I like when things look really nice.
Dave:So this is all the whole thing's been kind of overthrown around here. We've got Pawan SRO. He's asking about oops. I almost banned you. Sorry.
Dave:He's asking about the Balance two versus the Amazfit ActiveMax. I'm gonna circle back to that. I wanna say hi to a few more people, and then we will come back to your question. I promise. We got Chad from Colorado.
Dave:We've got more questions rolling in. I guess we should just dive right into the questions. Before we get there, though, I wanna, do a quick shout out. I gotta plug my stuff. So if you haven't been to the merch store in a while over at chase to summit dot com, got a whole bunch of new stuff.
Dave:Check out this. This is the new patch hat custom made chase to summit. And I'm really excited about this stuff here. Check this out. This is a new rain jacket.
Dave:It's hard to show on camera, but this is a new, like anorak style. It's got a big front pouch in the Chase Summit logo here. It's a branded Chase the Summit inside and it's awesome. I've been actually wearing it in all of my runs. That's over on the website and one that's not even on the website yet is this new long sleeve hoodie shirt that's like super versatile.
Dave:This is made by Rabbit. You could see the rabbit there. Rabbit clothing is one of my favorites. So I like to partner with them to do stuff and check that out. We've got the branding.
Dave:Can you see that? Oh, I'm bad at this. Chase to Summit on the side there down the torso. It's an awesome shirt. I've been wearing this out on my runs lately and really enjoying it.
Dave:So check out chasetosummit.com. Use discount code, listen 10, I think it was for 10% off. That's the only plug I'll do here. Other than all of my gear, my swag on the table here. Oh yeah.
Dave:We've got my old hats. Oh, we got the other new hat. This is the new Tri P cat. Really like this one too on the old ball dome. Okay.
Dave:Enough plugging Dave. Let's get down to brass tacks here. Other than all of my hats and stuff on the table, I also brought a whole bunch of watches. If anyone wants to talk about this stuff, I get all, like, the most recent from all the brands that I got my collection over there. I can come walk away for a second if I need to.
Dave:And of course, I've got my coffee. Yes. And check this out. This is actually a swag item Khoros sent me a couple of years ago. It's a, like a thermos mug from Khoros, and I use it all the time.
Dave:I'm a really big fan of that. I don't even know if they sell that, but quick plug plug for Khoros as well. All right. Back to the chat. Let's talk to you guys.
Dave:All right. Let's jump back to Poin Soraro. I can't pronounce it. I'm bad at names. I'm sorry, guys.
Dave:Balance two versus Maze Fit Active Max. Got the Active Max here right here. Yes. There's the Active Max. If you missed it, this watch came out yesterday.
Dave:Got a whole video about it. Really cool watch for the money. So a $169 here in The USA. And they pretty much put everything from their higher end, like T Rex three Pro and Balance two in a smaller well, not even smaller. It's still a pretty big watch.
Dave:But the crazy thing on this one is it actually gets a 3,000 nit display, so it's brighter than the Balance two. But it is missing a couple of things. So to your question, ActiveMax versus Balance two. There's a couple of standout things. Balance two is built a little nicer, and it gets a little scroll wheel button thing.
Dave:You So can scroll the menus instead of having to use touchscreen for everything. Active Max, you get to use the touchscreen more often, which is fine. It's a really good touchscreen. Balance two also gets the sapphire display, so it's more scratch resistant. This is just regular tempered glass.
Dave:And then it gets dual frequency GPS on the Balance two. This guy here just gets single band. So in my testing so far, again, I've only had it for, like, seven days now. It's been fine in terms of GPS accuracy, but I'm testing, like, in the suburbs outside of Boston, Mass here where I'm not going into slot canyons. It's, like, 10 degrees outside, so I'm not doing a whole lot of, like, adventuring into canyons currently, though I should be.
Dave:But the GPS has been fine. And I think for the price point, it's totally fine. The only issues I had with the Active Max was I'm getting texts from my kid to ask for more time on TikTok. I gotta mute my sound. Sorry.
Dave:I got screen time limits on my kids, and they're all home. So the only time the only issue I had with the ActiveMax was the heart rate performance wasn't great for me in my outdoor testing. And I think the main reason behind that is that it was very cold out. I've been running in, like, 10 degrees Fahrenheit. I don't even know what that is in Celsius, but super, super cold.
Dave:And optical heart rate sensors even from Garmin and Apple, everybody have a struggle in cold temperatures. So I didn't get great results there. But when I took it indoors on the treadmill, it was totally fine. And then the Balance two also gets the golf app if you care about that. So if you're a golfer, you can see the courses and stuff and how far the pin is from your location.
Dave:It's actually really cool. I kind of got into golf over the summer and spring Summer and fall, not spring. But, yeah, that's really the main differences. So it is a substantial price difference. We're talking $1.70 US to, like 300 US.
Dave:So it's like double the price. You do get more, but there are some advantages on the Active Max, like longer battery life and a brighter display. So it's a weird decision you'll have to make. Hopefully that helps you. We got Chad here asking what races I'm planning on running in the next year.
Dave:So dude, we're gonna get real here for a minute. Ever since, Vermont in July, I don't know if if you if you're watching this, you're probably invested in the channel, I hope. I've been kind of bummed out on racing, so I haven't even signed up for anything. And registrations have been popping up, and they've been passing by, and waitlists are are starting, and I'm missing the cutoff dates. And my wife keeps yelling at me that I need to sign up for stuff because I like, the day of the race comes, and I'm like, oh, man.
Dave:I wish I should have done that. But, yeah, to answer your question, I'm not signed up for anything. However, tomorrow, a race registration opens for a race locally called the WAPAC and back. And no one in the chat's gonna know what this race is, but it's a pretty difficult race here in Massachusetts. Takes place, kind of Western Mass, but it's on a mountain.
Dave:It starts on a mountain called Mount Wataytik. I've done it a couple of times. It's really difficult. It's about 50 miles. You can do a 21, a 43, or a 50 mile distance, which is like an out and back plus some.
Dave:And it's got, like, 11 or 12,000 feet of elevation gain, but, like, really some difficult footing in there. It's not like all, you know, California carpet. So I've been debating whether or not I wanna sign up for that. That registration opens up tonight on New Year's Day at midnight and usually sells out very quickly. So I'm probably gonna keep my eye on that.
Dave:It's very affordable. I mean, worst case scenario, I can I can drop out of it? I won't drop out of it. But, yeah, I think that'll be the one that gets me back into it. And that race takes place in May.
Dave:So I'll probably sign up for that. Other than that, I've been, like, kind of feeling out the you know, I wanna travel a little bit. I wanna get outside of New England. I race a lot in New England. I love it here, but, I have done some racing in California.
Dave:I've done some running in, like, Colorado and, Texas actually is kinda cool. But, like, I just wanna get out there a little bit more and explore because, like, selfishly, I also wanna make content about these races, and I've already beat the races around here to death even though I love them. So I gotta I gotta gotta expand my horizons a little bit. And if you know of a cool race, like Chad, you're in Colorado, let me know. You know, maybe I'll put it on my radar.
Dave:All the big ones are on my radar. Like, you know, there's Western States and Hard Rock and all the 200 miles are super cool, but, like, they're so hard to get into. I don't know if I can use my little YouTube channel swag to get into anything. If anyone's watching and can get me into something, let me know. I'd love to hear it.
Dave:I will I will shamelessly take a what do they call it? Influencer bib? Yeah. Sure. Throw one my way.
Dave:I'll take one. Okay. Next question. We got, WoopMG versus the Amazfit Helio Band. What a can of worms.
Dave:Sod Raff 43. So I got the Helio Band here. The Woop Band is somewhere over on my table over there. I'm not gonna get up. The the real answer is I like both.
Dave:Okay? I think the WHOOP band does things better in certain ways. Like, you get some advantages with WHOOP, specifically the five point o or the MG. You get some of their cool new insights like the aging, the what do they call it? Virtual age, health age.
Dave:I forget. Health span. Right? Lifespan? I forget.
Dave:And then you get like the EKG, the ECG functionality. And I also find like their strain recovery sleep metric is just really insightful. I love the graphs they generate. It's really well done. I like I like the Whoop product quite a bit.
Dave:The the question is the price, the value. Right? So Whoop, depending on which one you buy, you get the old version. It's like $200 right now. You get the new MG model, the top of the line one.
Dave:You're spending $359 per year every year if you wanna keep using it, which is a considerable amount of money. That's a new Apple Watch every year for a device that doesn't even have a screen. And that's kind of a hard pill to swallow, I think, for some people. So it's tough, man, because the the Helio Band does a lot right, and it keeps getting better. Like they keep refining the biocharge thing.
Dave:The sleep metrics have gotten better. The heart rate accuracy on this thing is surprisingly good and it's $99 one time. So there's that. And then on top of that, if you have an Amazfit watch, like you buy an Active Max here, you can use them together. So for for less than the cost of the Whoop MG, you walk away with both a fitness band and a smartwatch with a screen and microphone and all the things that come with that.
Dave:So the value certainly goes to the Helio Band. And I think the Helio Band can do, I would say, I don't know, 80% of what the WHOOP does for way less money. It just really depends on if that extra 20% is worth it to you. Hope that answers your question. I should make a whole video about that.
Dave:I have, I think. So fun fact, in 2025, I put out nearly 80 videos, like full length, no shorts, no reels, or anything like that, nearly 80 videos. The channel saw 12,300,000 views, which is mind blowing. And that's up from last year. It was, like, 9.8.
Dave:So we're actually we're we're ahead 2,000,000 views. I think it was, like, 32,000 subscribers this year and over a million watch hours. So thank you for all the people that have been watching and following along. I really, really appreciate it. Okay.
Dave:I don't know why I went on that tirade, but I've been excited about it. I watched the stats and it's cool. Like this time of year, I like to to follow along with the stats. Okay. We got flagora.
Dave:Where do you integrate your data reviewing so many brands? How do you aggregate your stats if you care about that? Okay. Great question and something I battle with personally. So I have like every brand, Suunto, Amis, whatever.
Dave:They're all pair they're all synced up to Strava, which makes Strava for me essentially useless because every time I go for a run and I'm wearing three watches or whatever, I get three copies of the same run. So when I get to the end of the year, my yearly mileage or elevation gain, any of that stuff is just way off. So I like Strava. I still post to it. But if you follow me on Strava, hit the link in the description.
Dave:You'll notice that I don't publish like anything publicly usually. Like my local training runs, I don't put on Strava. I will put like races or cool adventures or whatever. I'll put those public on Strava. Everything still syncs there, and I like that because I can kind of see how things are working and compare distances and stuff a lot easier.
Dave:But I don't make the activities public. So behind the scenes, there's a ton of stuff on Strava, just nothing public. What I use is sort of my bible, is Garmin because I find that I wear Garmin to compare just about every brand. I mean, love them or hate them. They're a big brand, and I wear a Garmin to compare to all the other things.
Dave:So when it comes to the end of year or month by month and I'm looking at my stats, I typically look at Garmin Connect for that data. And that's what I use as like, you know, my personal training platform, I guess. And also, Garmin was like my first entry into the fitness tech space. So I've got like over ten years of Garmin data and Garmin Connect. I can like trend mileage way back to 2015 or whatever and see how things have changed over time or even my heart rate or whatever.
Dave:So I get a lot of data there. So I typically use that. Hope that answers your question. And you're from Brazil. Cool.
Dave:Thanks for tuning in from Brazil. That's wild. Happy new year from Taiwan. Awesome. Wow.
Dave:We get some, get a lot of global places today. Thank you for joining. Got nearly 50 people watching right now. That's cool. We got Matt LeGrand in the house.
Dave:If you haven't checked out Matt's channel, I'm sure you have. Awesome channel, great b roll, camera skills. I got to learn a lot from him and he does great work. Thanks for joining, Matt. Let's go.
Dave:Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you. I hope you're all gonna have a fun New Year's Eve. We keep it low key here in house. For those of you who don't know, we have four kids ages ranging from four years old to 13 years old.
Dave:So we don't go out and party anymore. But we would we do like a neighborhood party. We have we have friends nearby, so we, we just keep it local. We'll see who makes it to midnight tonight. I doubt my wife, if she's watching, she'll have a hard time making it to midnight tonight.
Dave:Okay. Another question from Anthony Duvall. MIP or AMOLED, what's your preference and why? So for a very long time, I was team MIP. I love one of my first, like, expensive watches was the Garmin Fenix one, the original.
Dave:Not no number after it. Didn't even have a heart rate sensor. It had a black and white display. And, actually, I did a I did, like, a rereview of that in 2023 or 2024 just to see how it stacked up to, like, modern day watches, and it still works. I have it over here in a draw.
Dave:I can charge it. I can sync it with Garmin Connect on my phone in 2026 almost, and it still works. And that watch came out in, like, 2014 or 2013. So that's a testament to Garmin products that they they do work for a long time. I loved the MIP display on that.
Dave:There are advantages to both. Right? So your MIP displays are great in a sense that they feel more analog. So if you are someone who wears a mechanical watch like Omega or whatever. Right?
Dave:And you wanna get into like the fitness watch space, I think the lowest, like, shock change, I don't want know what words to use there, would be to go MIP because they feel more analog. It feels more, like, old school, which is good and bad. So it's less distracting. It doesn't, like, get super bright and in your face. It's not super colorful.
Dave:It's not like when you get a notification, you're not like, what's that? It's it's very subtle, which is a good thing. And in direct sunlight, they do still today have an advantage where they are, like, in certain lighting conditions, you're on the beach. It's like, you know, noon. The light is just blasting on you, and you need to see what's on your watch.
Dave:In those situations, MIP is still king. Not to mention their lower power consumption, although that argument's starting to fade a bit, and they're the only display type compatible currently with a solar panel. So you won't see an AMOLED solar watch yet. I say yet because I think that's gonna be like the next evolution of smartwatches. So there's MIP.
Dave:But AMOLED, on the flip side, has become way more popular. I think it's more affordable to produce, because there's more manufacturers making those panels where MIP has become so niche that I think there's only, like, one manufacturer left in China who's still making MIP displays for brands like Khoros and and Garmin on some of their models. So I think AMOLED has become a lot cheaper. It's also become a lot more power efficient. And then, like, the functional usable differences, with AMOLED is it's just way easier to look at inserting lighting conditions.
Dave:If you're indoors and you need to see your watch, like, I get the Phoenix eight arm right now. You can see that on camera. If I was wearing MIP, you wouldn't see any numbers there, but you can see that pretty easily, just by glancing at it. And now with, like, newer technology, I was actually shocked by the, Active Max here because even when this watch is asleep, it's still very bright. Like, it's awake right now, but now it's asleep.
Dave:That's what you see all day. This is the always on display mode. So, like, the argument of the inherently always on display of MIP is starting to fade because of just how functional these new AMOLEDs have gotten. And this watch still gets crazy battery life. We're getting, in my testing, I'm getting, like, two weeks with always on on.
Dave:And if you turn that off, you get up to twenty four days, sixty four hours in GPS mode. These are numbers we couldn't hit with AMOLED just a couple of years ago. But as technology keeps pushing and pushing, it's becoming more attainable. So while there is still a place for MIP, and if you really are into that look and you want something more analog and maybe a little less tacky, like aesthetically, if you wanna wear it, like, with a nice outfit or something, I still feel like MIP is the way to go. But I think for functional purposes for the majority of people, MIP, they're just so good now.
Dave:Like, we're getting this watch is a $170 and gets as bright as as a $800 Apple Watch Ultra. So, yeah, the barriers have have lowered quite a bit. Wow. I went on a tirade on that. Yes.
Dave:Coros cup. Check it out. Get a closer look. There's coffee spilt all over it. Let me take a sip of that coffee.
Dave:Okay. Apparel's looking good. Thanks, Chad. Happy New Year to you and also to Matt Legrand. Shout out, Matt.
Dave:Wanna see you running UTB UTMB. Yes. That is like I watch I'm sure if you know UTMB, you've seen Jeff Pelletier's channel. He's a friend of mine now, and I love his UTMB content. I watch it on the treadmill, and I, like, daydream of of someday doing it.
Dave:That's certainly a bucket list item. But, again, the challenge is logistics, like a lot of money in travel, lodging, all that stuff, and getting into it is also a challenge. So we'll see someday. Matt, wait. No one here talks about watches.
Dave:Right? Bro. What else are we gonna talk about? Chad, I'm still a fan of the Suunto vertical. Would love to get the vertical two versus the vertical one, but it's still working great.
Dave:So no really need to upgrade. I agree. And to be honest, they're totally different watches. I feel like Suunto should have branded the Vertical two something different. I don't know.
Dave:I said this in my early like, when they first gave me the media deck and information about it, I was scratching my head like, what are they doing? Like, the the Suunto race had a place as, like, the Ameled king of Suunto. And then you had the vertical, the vertical one, which was the MIP version was solar and crazy long battery life. And then they went to the vertical two and the race two. And these two watches are, like, the same watch.
Dave:The vertical two gets the built in flashlight, a little bit longer battery life, but, like, other than that, you're splitting hairs between these two for a significant price too. I like the vertical two quite a bit though. Like, aesthetically, this is my favorite watch. I love wearing it. I love the look of it.
Dave:Suunto does their design, like their industrial design right. And whoever is in charge of that department, kudos to you. Love my vertical one. Wearing it now. Yeah, man.
Dave:What's next for your ultra running? Yeah. So I guess this is a bigger topic, but, like, watch reviews and gear reviews are awesome. And I still love doing them. And it's a big part of what made the channel successful and made this my job, thankfully.
Dave:Thanks to all of you. But, you know, if you go back and you watch my videos from, like, 2019 or 2020, it was like a lot of vlogging, getting out there, doing races and stuff. And I really wanna get back into that. I feel like I I just it me, it was more satisfying in a way. The gear reviews are not gonna stop, but that's gonna be, we'll call that my my New Year's resolution is I just wanna start getting out there more and and producing that kind of content because I love it.
Dave:So, what's next for me, though? That's a bigger question. We somebody asked what my next race would be. It might be this race that comes up tomorrow. The registration opens tomorrow.
Dave:It's called the wild pack and back, and it's a local race. So might be that. It might be something else. We'll see. That's a 50 mile race, so we'll call it an ultra.
Dave:Thanks for your content this year. Keep it going. Thank you. You're feeling the FOMO. Good luck on that mountain race.
Dave:Sounds awesome. Yeah. I am feeling the FOMO, big time. Especially, I my my buddy Ryan Clayton, he's back on YouTube. He took some time off.
Dave:He got into Western states. I'm so excited for him. But watching his video about Western states, I was like, I wanna do that so bad, but it's like so hard to get into. New York Marathon. Yeah.
Dave:That is another good option. Actually, my wife really wants to do that. She's run Boston a couple of times and really wants to do New York. So maybe someday we'll do it together. Never summer one hundred k in Northern Colorado is great.
Dave:I've heard about that. I'll have to look a little bit more into it. Matt LeGrande, speaking of Western states, did UC Ryan got in? Yeah. So I just mentioned that.
Dave:The man himself, he's back. Greetings from Lemming, Spain. What oh, Lemmings Lemington Leamington Spa, I can't read, In The UK. Enjoy your informational informative channel. Probably going to pull the trigger on the new Active Max based on your initial review and DesFits.
Dave:Many thanks. Yeah. It's cool to see a lot of people have the same feelings I did. I saw reviews from Des and Rob over at the Quantified Scientist. Both have fairly good things to say about it.
Dave:Have you reviewed any of the Whoopware items? So I have some. I bought them with my own money with intent to review them and never reviewed them. So I have like the the underwear, the boxer the boxer briefs. They're actually really nice.
Dave:It is cool that you can slip your whoop into that and kind of forget about it. You don't need to wear it anywhere. The one challenge is, like, you have to remember to do that. And I'm always in a rush in the morning. I'm, like, getting my kids ready.
Dave:I wanna get out the door and do my thing. And I often forget to like, gotta take the the whoop off your wrist, take the pod off, stick it in your pants or whatever. So it's cool. It's a great idea. If you could think of a situation where it would make sense to you and the first thing that comes to me is people in combat sports like jujitsu or Muay Thai or, that stuff where you cannot wear, something on your wrist, that would be a really functional way to track your activity.
Dave:Hi, Chad. I'm writing for from Italy. My name's Dave, but Chad is in the chat. What do you see what do I see on your left wrist? Is that the phoenix eight Solar by chance?
Dave:So this is the Fenix eight Pro. Get a closer look if I can. The Fenix eight Pro 47 millimeter AMOLED, not the Solar. I like the AMOLED, like I said, and it's it's a nice watch. It's a big watch.
Dave:Like, if you can I do this? We got the standard Fenix eight with the orange band. Oh, that looks bad. Come on, Dave. You do this for a living.
Dave:The standard Fenix eight with the orange band, and we've got the Fenix eight Pro with the green or yellow band there. And as you can see, the Fenix eight Pro is thicker. Like, the bezel part is thicker. And I believe they did that. I think maybe a bigger slightly bigger battery because the display is brighter and it has a cellular connectivity and satellite within reach.
Dave:So they had to beef it up a little bit. I'm used to it. I've been wearing it every day since it came out pretty much, and it's something I can sleep with. I'm not a big person. I'm only like five foot seven.
Dave:I don't know how to do that in metric, but it's fine. It's just it's a big watch. Poinsraro, SRAO. Can I connect Helios Strap to a Mace Fit Active Max? Yes.
Dave:So you can use the Helio Strap. There's a setting called Bluetooth or heart rate push. If you enable that, it turns the Helio Strap into an external heart rate sensor so you can connect it to any watch. It doesn't even have to be an Amazfit product. It could be my Garmin here.
Dave:It'll be picked up as an external heart rate sensor, and then you can wear this up on your bicep or whatever or down on your wrist and collect heart rate data. So it's pretty cool. Other than that, you don't really need to connect the two devices together because they're both fairly independent. Like, you can leave your watch at home and wear the Helio strap and collect your step count, calories burned, heart rate, blah blah blah. And then when you get home and put your watch back on, all of that data is merged together into the same app on your phone.
Dave:So you don't really need to like connect them other than if you're in an activity and wanna use the heart rate from the Helio. By the way, is it Helio? Helio? I hear people say it differently, and I never know the correct answer. I should probably ask the people from Amazfit.
Dave:By the way, this is a little off topic thing. Next week, January, I think, I'm gonna be in Las Vegas, flying out there for the Consumer Electronics Show, CES. And to my knowledge, there's gonna be some brands out there that you'll probably care about. So if you haven't yet subscribed to the channel, stay tuned to check out my Instagram. I'll probably post some, like, short form stuff there just to do, like, little tidbits of what's going on there.
Dave:But I'm gonna spend a few days there. I've got meetings set up with some of these brands. We're gonna talk about what's coming from them. Very exciting. Very excited for some of the things I think are coming.
Dave:And, yeah, stay tuned for that. So Vegas next week, I totally forgot about it. And yesterday, I think I was, like, driving my kids somewhere and my calendar popped up on my watch. You have a flight on Monday to go to Las Vegas. So that'll be neat.
Dave:CES is always quite an adventure. It's always quite a thing. Old Boss Gold. You deserve it. Keep it up.
Dave:I remember your username from a long time. You've been around for a long time. Thanks for following along. I appreciate it. Andy Wildtek.
Dave:Hi, Chase. I'm writing from Italy. What do I see on your left oh, Chase. Yeah. Same same comment.
Dave:Phoenix eight pro. Matt Legrand, shout out. Hey, brother. Thanks for the content. You're a real dude.
Dave:Thank you. I'll that's the biggest compliment I could get. I go back and forth between the Apple Watch Ultra three and the Fenix eight. I love Garmin, but I enjoy the daily driving functions of the Apple Watch. Yeah.
Dave:It's it's so hard. Like, I'm in a very privileged position to have, like, all of these things at my disposal. And I love I absolutely adore the Apple Watch Ultra three. It is my favorite smartwatch. I think I can say that pretty comfortably.
Dave:It's a great watch. It does everything really well. Like, good GPS, good heart rate, all the apps. You can leave your phone behind, answer phone calls, text people. If you're an Apple user, of course, doesn't apply to Android, but it's a really solid option for those looking for a do it all daily wear item.
Dave:The downsides are, of course, the battery life. You know, it's good. It's the best it's ever been on an Apple Watch, but you're still charging this thing I don't know. Like, for me, I like to charge it daily even though you can get two to three days out of it. I still throw mine on the charger in the morning because I'm afraid of it dying, and I don't keep I don't, like, constantly swipe down to check the battery life on it.
Dave:So I just want I just want Apple to give these watches more battery life. That's like the one thing that holds them back for me. If they could get like a week, like comfortably a week on a charge, that would be awesome. Honestly, I would give up some things to get that much battery life. For example, every time there's a new Apple Watch launch, I I feel like they give us things that we're not really asking for, like brighter displays, like, I don't know.
Dave:3,000 nits is cool, but I don't really need it. If they could give us an Apple Watch with, a 1,500 nits, but a week of battery life, I think I would make that trade off or even a setting in the watch to do that. Can turn down the brightness, of course. But, yeah, they they're both awesome, and it's really hard to compare them because they are truly apples and oranges. There's a pun in there.
Dave:Because you're you're comparing like a full blown sport watch with the Phoenix to a a purpose built dedicated smartwatch designed to do your daily tasks more efficiently. The Garmin cannot compare to the Apple Watch when it comes to, like, making and taking phone calls or text messages or responding to emails from your wrist. Like, all the things the Apple Watch can do, Apple I mean, Garmin doesn't do. So it really boils down to if you have a wearable now, what are you missing from it? If you have an Apple Watch, what would you miss to to move to Garmin?
Dave:Would do you respond to emails on your wrist, or do you just use it use it as a sport watch? Because I know people like that. They have Apple Watches, but they still, you know, read emails and text people from their phone. So they're not really using the capabilities of the Apple Watch. If you're in that camp, Garmin might make sense, where you value longer battery life and all of the other stuff that comes with it.
Dave:Tough decision. I'm confused with this comment means throw what rocks at your window. Do you like it when other people throw what rocks at your window? I don't know what that means, but thanks for commenting. Happy New Year from India.
Dave:Would you ever wear a Garmin and a Helio strap and compare the data? I have done that. It's probably in yeah. It's probably in the Helio strap follow-up review I did after months of wearing it. You'll see in that I have a lot of side by side, like screenshots from my phone of body battery versus biocharge and the sleep metrics.
Dave:I did it all there. But I should probably do another follow-up on the Helios trap because they have updated it multiple times. Yes. I love coffee. It's right here.
Dave:Not drinking much of it because I keep talking. Oh, another one. Yes. I am terrified of garden gnomes. I feel like this is my kid.
Dave:This is my kid, my 13 year old in my chat. Would love to try something other than my Apple Watch Ultra. Tested garments several times to no avail, primarily in the gym, my workout with weights. Any suggestions? I don't know.
Dave:For gym stuff, you might find some value in like the whoop band if you don't really wanna wear a watch. But if you really want a watch and you want an alternative to Apple Garmin, like a 4Runner, maybe, 4Runner five seventy, nine seventy might be a good option. Okay. It's a good one. Do you have any concerns about privacy?
Dave:When Whoop asks about your blank life, I don't know if I could say it. Am I gonna is YouTube gonna get me in trouble? Does not feel right. So I think Whoop actually has a pretty ironclad privacy policy. They are they're actually local to me.
Dave:I'm about thirty minutes from WHOOP's headquarters in Boston, Massachusetts. But from what I understand, all that data you're putting in there, it's not readable to anybody but you. They don't sell that data or anything. So I would say, personally, I don't know. You're asking the wrong guy because I mean, look at me.
Dave:I'm wired up like Robocop here, and I have a thousand things connected me at all times, and I send it anywhere. Like, any app, I'll send it there. Because, like, personally, I just don't care. Like, if somebody knows about my intimate life, about what I'm doing, what value do they gain from it other than selling it so, like, advertisers could get ahold of me in some way, which I wouldn't appreciate. But, like, other than that, I just don't care.
Dave:But that's really up to you. Like, I get why you would care and maybe I should care, but I think most of these companies do worry about that. It's funny. I feel like the overseas companies like Amazfit, you know, overseas for me, I feel like they are they take it more seriously because of the optics of people not in China or in Asia purchasing their their things. They're worried about the the the perception of it.
Dave:So they actually have a really lengthy privacy policy. They have the ability in the Amazfit app to delete your data from their servers, from their cloud. They have the ability to turn off the connection to their cloud and do everything locally on your own device, but it does limit what you can do with their devices. And I actually do like that. Like, it would be cool to see other companies adopt that sort of flexibility when it comes to privacy because you're not alone.
Dave:A lot of people care. I see a lot of comments on the channel about privacy concerns, and they are valid. The question is, like, how far do you take it, and how much do you care? Like, personally, my heart rate data, I don't care. Like, I'll show it to anybody in this livestream.
Dave:It it's heart rate data. Like, we're all alive. We all have a heartbeat. I don't know what anyone could do with that. And it kinda goes with every other aspect of these watches.
Dave:The only thing I guess I do care about is, like, location data is kinda shady. Like, if people know your habits and where you're going every day, like, if if my wife's, you know, daily running routine went out, I guess it is on Strava, but she is private on Strava. So, like, if they could figure out your habits and know where you're going, like, that could be kind of sketchy. But other than that, I just don't care. But that's up that's up to you to decide.
Dave:Happy New Year from Josie. Thanks for tuning in. I wear the Amazement T Rex three Pro or T Rex Pro three, and I really like it. Yeah. Great watch.
Dave:Surprisingly, good watch. Hey, bro. Truly like your videos. I would like to ask you if I should get the Garmin two sixty five. It'll be my first Garmin, and I can get it on Amazon for $300.
Dave:Is that is that still a good option? Yeah. Great watch. Nothing bad to say about it. I I do think it's probably in terms of, like, firmer updates reaching its end of life.
Dave:That doesn't mean it's gonna stop work working. Like I like I said earlier in the stream, I have a Garmin from 2012, I think, that still works and still connects to my phone and does all the things it was supposed to do. The question is whether or not Garmin will add more features because they are known for after, like, two, three years, like stopping the rollout of additional features. So that's the only thing I would think about. But if you like what it is now, buy what it is now and be happy with it.
Dave:Is it still worth getting Garmin watches from years ago, such as the September or February on a budget, like the Vivoactive six? What do you think is the best value Garmin watch? This goes to the exact statement I just said about the $2.65. Buy it for what it is and don't expect it to get better. It will continue to work forever.
Dave:But I will say the $9.55 is a crazy value, and it's like the only Forerunner you can get as a solar model because they had the MIP solar version of that. So that's kinda cool. Great watches. There's nothing wrong with them. And if you can get them even secondhand, like on Facebook Facebook market or something, you can really get a great deal.
Dave:Happy 2,026. Yeah. Thank you. Happy 2026 to you as well. Tierra mates.
Dave:Amazfit Active Max is $1.69 right now, but the Balance two XT is $1.99. And they only sell it at Best Buy, like a baby version of the Balance two without Sapphire and Golf. Yeah. I saw that. I thought that was a weird choice.
Dave:Must have been some sort of, like, partnership with Best Buy particularly because I haven't seen it anywhere else. I thought about running out and grabbing one at my local Best Buy, but I already reviewed the Balance. And like you said, it's the same watch. So the difference there is $30. The Active Max gets a brighter display.
Dave:They both don't have sapphire. So for that $30 difference, the really the only thing is you're getting that scroll wheel, I guess. Although I do wonder the one thing kind of a quiet feature on the ActiveMax is that they're adding podcast support to this and it's awesome. Actually, in the Zep app on your phone, you can actually just search for podcasts. You don't need to, like, put in the RSS feed or anything, and it will search all recent podcasts, like my own podcast even popped up.
Dave:Shout out Distance Junkie, go follow-up, And you can add it. And after that, it'll automatically download episodes to your watch, which is really cool. I don't know if they're gonna roll that back. Hopefully, they do. Any chance that Garmin comes out with something like the WHOOP or Helio version in 2026?
Dave:Loaded question. I don't know anything. If I did, I wouldn't be able to tell you, but I guess I would avoid this topic altogether if I did know something. I think they will. My gut tells me that they've seen how well the HelioStrap did for Amazfit, and they're probably in the works on it.
Dave:I was shocked when they came out with their sleep band, like the index sleep monitor that did not it didn't it wasn't designed for all day wear. It was only designed for sleep. I thought that was a huge miss. Still cool. Like, if you wanna track your sleep metrics without wearing your watch, the index index sleep monitor is super comfortable.
Dave:Arguably more comfortable than the Amazfitter, the Whoop, because it's got, like, a really wide sleeve you wear up in your arm, which I do like. But it was just weird that they didn't make it an all day wear kind of thing. I wonder though if they do that, if they're gonna like, Garmin is known to segment their things into like 4Runner, Phoenix, Vivoactive, Venue. Like, they've got these buckets, and and things always fit into that. The sleep monitor fell into the index silo.
Dave:An index historically has been like your wellness products. So, like, they have the index scale to check check your body fat percentage and your weight. Index fell in there. I wonder if when they do come out with some sort of weep whoop alternative, if it's gonna fall into another category. It would make sense to me if it went into, like, Vivo or Venue, like a Venue band or something like that, but time will tell.
Dave:I do think it's gonna happen, though. I'm pretty confident on that. Which armband heart rate heart rate monitor is the best value for money? I have the $9.55 with the Pro Plus, but I hate it. My favorite right now is the KOROS armband simply because it just works.
Dave:The battery life is good. The accuracy is good. And I like the way it looks, and the band is very comfortable. Your thoughts on the Amazfit Helio Band long term. Is it worth it?
Dave:Yeah. It is worth it. For for under $100, it's really hard to beat. Here's a good one. Yeah.
Dave:I keep going back to Garmin. There's freedom in totally disconnecting and just training. Of course, with the wife and kids, that's sometimes unrealistic. I I hear this a lot. So a lot of times in my videos, I'll talk about notifications and text messaging on watches.
Dave:And a lot of people are like, I don't want notifications when I'm out hiking or running or whatever. And to an extent, I agree. However, I have four kids and I'm married. And when I'm out, I need to be accessible. So having, like, on this Garmin Fenix eight Pro here, it's got inReach satellite communication.
Dave:So even if I'm in the mountains, I can still get a message from my wife. I can make calls, and I gotta be accessible. So it's really, you know, different strokes for different folks. You know what I mean? Like, get the thing that makes you happy.
Dave:You can always turn off notifications. But, yeah, that's one drawback if you do go the WHOOP or or Helioband route where you just don't have that, like, immediate access to messages where I do value that. What about the Galaxy Watch Ultra? Thoughts on it? Yeah.
Dave:I get this a lot. A lot of people ask like, oh, why didn't you review the Galaxy Watch? Like, there's some deeper meaning there. I honestly just don't get excited about the Galaxy watches. It might just be an aesthetic thing.
Dave:I reviewed the first Galaxy Watch Ultra, that came out a couple years ago. I had a unboxing video where I talked about how I didn't like the look of it. And then I had a follow-up video, and I don't know. There's something about the both the aesthetic of the hardware itself I don't love, and then the actual user interface I also don't love, which is weird because I actually do really like the Pixel watch. This is the Pixel watch four here.
Dave:And they lay out things really cleanly and make sense to me. And aesthetically, I like the watch. There's just something about Samsung I just didn't love. Also, it makes it hard it makes it hard for me to review them when their PR and, you know, media people don't talk to me. I've emailed them a couple of times to, like, get early access and stuff and they haven't responded.
Dave:That's fine. I mean, they don't have to give me anything, but it does make my life a little bit easier if I have to review stuff. I've tried many Amazfit and even Garmin's in as sensors, they are quite attractive. Do you think Amazfit will approve further in 2026? That's the hope.
Dave:I I think all these companies are going to improve in 2026. I hope. That's kinda like what their goal should be. What I would like to see from Amazfit is maybe I don't know. For a long time, it kind of feels like Amazfit copies a lot and they don't do a lot of like internal innovation and they don't, they'll roll out a feature without it being fully done or polished.
Dave:I would like to see them wait and hold back a little bit, really test things out, put out a user group of people, polish it, and then put it out. And I get we live in a time now where it's like instant gravity gratification. Get the next thing out. Quick. Quick.
Dave:Quick. You gotta keep moving. And especially with Amazfit trying to keep up with the competition, they need to do that. But I would like to see them refine more and roll out like hold back on putting out more devices. They've put out a lot of devices.
Dave:I don't even know how many they put out in 2025, but it's a lot. If they were to put out, you know, a couple a year and they were really banger and had everything nailed, that would make them more successful in the long term and probably higher you know, get a higher regard from the user group. But the credit I do give them is they they are surprisingly good with software updates now. I feel like my Helio Strap gets updated every couple of weeks. I've gotten updates on the T Rex three Pro, but there's still, like, little things.
Dave:Like, when they rolled out the T Rex three Pro, the mapping just was kinda crazy. Like, they added routing, which is a cool feature because only Garmin could do that at the time, but the routing was horrendously bad. It would put my route onto a major highway for me to run onto. Didn't make sense. Of course, they put a firmware update out that did fix that.
Dave:But again, why wasn't that fixed at launch? I have to imagine they tested this stuff and they, you know, refine it before it comes out. I just wanna see them spend more time on things and maybe not rush as much. But who am I to judge? Just some idiot on YouTube.
Dave:If you're using the Oura Ring, especially for long term use, how long does the battery actually last? Personally, I use the Ultrahuman Ring, not the the Aura. Yeah. So battery life on Aura is pretty good. The the tricky part with Aura in all of the smart rings out there is that if you get a smaller ring, you get slightly less battery life because they have to shrink the battery for it.
Dave:That was something that became very visible with the Samsung Galaxy ring. When they put that out, they actually had a spec chart for different ring sizes and what kind of battery life you could expect. With Aura and Ultrahuman, they don't give you that. They just give you, like, a range. Aura's been pretty good for me, though.
Dave:They you know, four days ish, sometimes more. I'm wearing an ultra human ring right now. That's what's on my finger. I really like the ultra human stuff, although they've got into some murky waters with Aura legally. They got sued by AuraRing.
Dave:They actually, I think they stopped selling Ultrahuman Rings for a little while, which was too bad, because I do like the product. But I think they're starting to work around that now. So we'll see. That's another brand that will be at CES this year. So it'll be cool to see whatever they have.
Dave:Hopefully, it's not just the same stuff at CES. Next week, baby. Stay tuned. How about Zwift fully investing in the run platform? Could be amazing, but they're just concentrating on cycling.
Dave:Yeah. I noticed that too. So I have a Wahoo KICKR RUN treadmill, which actually is one of the few treadmills that integrates to Zwift and you can do the free run or workouts and the incline and decline will adjust and it's really cool. But yeah, there's so many things about it where I'm like, I wish they would put more time and money into this because it would be a lot funner and they just don't. There's a lot of weird stuff too.
Dave:Like, with the premium membership, they don't have a family membership for Zwift. So if like both my wife and I wanna have different profiles on Zwift, we'd both have to spend $20 a month or something to do that. Why not have a family plan? That's crazy. But I agree.
Dave:Or it would also you know what would help the whole situation? If another competitor came along and put out a Zwift alternative that was better, like a Zwift run alternative that was better, maybe had a family plan, that would push Zwift into putting more effort into the run features. I think what holds Zwift back is that there's simply not enough people using it. And it's sort of this tricky position because if they made it better, they might get more people to use it, but they're not going to make it better because not enough people are using it, if that makes sense. Because it's kind of a niche thing.
Dave:Right? Like to enjoy Zwift Run, you need to have a treadmill that's compatible, FTMS FTMS. Is that the protocol I'm looking for? Compatible with it. Or you have to wear a foot pod and pair that, and that's not as fun.
Dave:So I feel like they just they need to work on ways to make it funner. And also they kind of just turned the cycling aspect of Zwift into running, which didn't make sense to me because like on cycling, it makes sense that you're moving so fast. You can see a lot of scenery and it's kind of fun. But running on Zwift is like your avatar barely moves. The little guy or girl is like, even when you're at like a, you know, sub six minute pace, it's just kind of strolling along and it doesn't move very fast.
Dave:So I feel like they need to add some more excitement into the platform, but I agree with you. Thanks for all of your work. Do you think the $9.65 at $523 is good deal? It's an okay deal. I feel like I may have seen it a little bit lower during the holidays, but I could be wrong.
Dave:It's a great watch. It was one of my absolute favorites for a long time. I wore it to two ultra marathons, three ultra ultra marathons, and it did phenomenal. Didn't have to charge it or anything. Just popping in before I go to the science museum with my kids.
Dave:Happy New Year. Looking forward to 2026 after a pretty good 2025. Be well. You as well. Enjoy the science museum.
Dave:I probably should have done that this week with my kids. Yeah. The messages I see on my watch are usually from my wife asking when I'll be home. Same, my friend. Same.
Dave:Please tell Garmin to lower the brightness settings on the four hundred nine seventy. Thanks and wish you all the best. I agree. So that that was a weird thing that Garmin did when they moved to AMOLED is they changed the way the brightness works where it's like high, medium, low. You get three settings.
Dave:But on the MIP models, you can dial in your exact brightness in percentages from like 10% to a 100%. And I thought it was strange they got rid of that because it would it would be easier to really dial it in for the user with the percentages, but they didn't do that. Maybe it's a could be a hardware limitation on the way they drive the the display in the watch. I don't really know. But that would be also useful for, battery life.
Dave:Right? Like, if you could dial in to keep your watch set at, like, 15% brightness, you could probably squeeze out a ton of battery life. Updated from the Amazfit T Rex three to the Tactics seven AMOLED because of your video. Your work is appreciated. Thank you.
Dave:That's a big leap. Tactics is a beast of a watch. Happy New Year to you as well. Happy New Year to you as well. Do you think Zep will make big improvements to their app next year?
Dave:Specific specifically, if I can say that word, it would be nice to have a web app version of it. Yeah. So I don't know. It's weird now in 2025 going into 2026. I feel like a lot of these brands have deprioritized web portals in favor of the mobile app experience, which I do think makes sense.
Dave:Most people are accessing their data on their phone. But I personally love the mobile app. Okay. But with an asterisk, I am 41 years old. So I'm maybe not in that, you know, twenty, thirty year old market where everybody does everything in their phones.
Dave:I do a lot of stuff on my computer. I like looking at, like, spreadsheets and stuff on my computer. So it wouldn't make sense. I think the likelihood of Zep opening up a web portal is very low. I don't think they're gonna put the resources or time into that.
Dave:And if they did, it might be some crippled version of the app. It probably wouldn't have all the same things. Similar to how, Khoros implemented their web version, they started that with their training features called the EvoLab. And now you can view your activities and see your training data, but it doesn't give you all of your information. It's kind of a crippled down version of the Chorus app on your computer.
Dave:I could see maybe them doing that, but I I would say very unlikely. I do think their app will get better and Zep has been really I mean, in 2025, they did a lot with their app. They redid the user interface. They added BioCharge. They added the course creation feature.
Dave:You can now like design a map, a course on a map in the app and then sync it to your watch. That was something that was lacking previously and made life a lot easier for me when I wanted to go on a hike or something. I didn't have to design it in AllTrails or on Strava, or even in my case, I was using Garmin Connect to make a course, exporting a GPX file and bringing it into ZEP. It was kind of a headache. So it's cool to see that they got that done.
Dave:But, yeah, I think they're gonna keep moving in that direction, hopefully. Why don't you think the Fenix nine will be released in 2026? Yes. I don't think they'll do a Fenix nine in 2026. The reason being the Fenix eight came out in 2024, I think.
Dave:Right? Correct me if I'm wrong. I think it was 2024. Garmin is typically a two to three year release cycle with their flagship model like the Fenix eight. And that would put the Fenix eight or Fenix nine into either late twenty twenty six or 2027.
Dave:The problem is they just came out with the Fenix eight Pro not too long ago. The Fenix eight Pro was a little bump up from the Fenix eight, and I think because of the existence of this watch, it sort of resets that timer. And my gut tells tells me it'll probably be out in 2027. Maybe later. I don't know.
Dave:But that's my gut. I don't work for them. I don't really know anything. That's just me being me. After the vertical two and the race two as a small wrist guy, I'm waiting for the race s two.
Dave:Yeah. That would make total sense. The race s was very popular and something I really liked, but it would it could use an update to the heart rate sensor and the display and the battery tech and get all this new stuff. And I would personally be very excited if they could build in that built in flashlight from the vertical at a lower price point. Monty Hill, you haven't answered my comments in twenty five to twenty three minutes.
Dave:Yes, I haven't because they've been kind of nonsense, man. Any chance you might be interested in reviewing coaching apps such as Garmin Coach or Runna? I meant to do this. So Runna actually reached out to me. They asked if I wanted to review their thing.
Dave:They gave me like a one year subscription on it for free, which was cool. I just didn't get into it. To be honest, I'm really bad at training apps because of the way they work. They're always like, okay, here's your long run day. But then my long run day comes and my kids are doing something or I need to push it off to another day.
Dave:And sometimes the apps don't make it super easy to adjust. That's my struggle because I my training takes place when I when I have time, which is very little windows of time, and I sort of shoehorn it in. So I haven't really gone down the path of reviewing those things. I have used Garmin Coach before. Garmin Coach is cool, but it is limited to shorter distances, which I guess you could sort of convert into longer distances.
Dave:But yeah, something I should think about twenty twenty six. Okay. We've been rolling for one hour and four minutes. So I think I'm gonna wrap it unless anybody else has some comments here. Thank you all for joining.
Dave:Okay. We got one more. Any recommendations from my question in the aforementioned comment? Don't know what your aforementioned comment was. Oh, here it is.
Dave:Let's go back. Hi, Dave. Looking for a tracker, which will do the basics right now. Resting heart rate, rate variability, v o two max, training load. Which I go for a polar loop, charge six, or something else I can get for $250 or less.
Dave:Under $2.50, I would say Amazfit might be a good option. I don't know. So the one thing Amazfit, I will say, sucks at, we use that word lightly, is estimated v o two max. They are not good at estimated v v o two max. In all the years I've tried Amazfit products, they have either been, like, 10 to five points below what every other device I have will tell me.
Dave:So, like, my Garmin right now tells me I'm, like, 55, 56. Khoros is in the same ballpark. Suuntos in the same ballpark. Polar, same ballpark. I got lab tested in the same ballpark.
Dave:Amazfit for a while was like 48 and now says 50. So it's getting closer, but still significantly off. If that really, really matters to you, I would say avoid Amazfit even though it can trend and be useful. So like even if their metrics are low, they might still trend up when you're getting fitter and faster and everything's going well. So you'll still see the increase, but it won't be accurate numerically, That makes sense.
Dave:So that's the one thing. Other than that, resting heart rate, okay on a mace fit. HRV, good on a mace fit. Training load, okay. Mediocre on Amazfit.
Dave:So for $2.50, the Active Max might be an option. Khoros Pace four, also a really good option. They do training load really well. HRV is pretty good. VO two max pretty good.
Dave:So, yeah, I would sec I would say actually, that's probably the best. The KOROS Pace four. Go for that. $250. Okay.
Dave:Now everyone's saying bye because I already said bye one time. Thanks for your advice. Happy New Year. Great CTS, man. Happy New Year.
Dave:Happy New Year, Chad. Thanks everybody for joining. What's your favorite sport besides running? I don't know. I'm not really into sports, to be honest.
Dave:Golf to play? I don't know. Okay, friends. Thanks for tuning in. I really appreciate all the comments and conversation.
Dave:I want everybody out there to have a very safe, very happy New Year. And take care of yourselves. Come up with a good resolution. Check out chasethesummit.com while you're taking care of yourselves. Get a sweet hat like that.
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Dave:Thanks, everybody. Bye.